9th October 2004
The Cumbrian Mountain Express
|Locos Used||33103, 33202 & steam: 71000|
|Stock Used (2)||21272+1692+3149+3147+3112+3122+3140+3107+3098+1863+4927+4902+5275|
1Z71 : Cardiff Central to Carlisle
1Z72 : Carlisle to Cardiff Central
Loco(s) Route 33103 + 33202 Cardiff Central - Newport - Severn Tunnel Junction - Patchway - Bristol Parkway - Westerleigh Jn - Yate - Gloucester Yard Jn - Cheltenham Spa - Abbotswood Jn - Worcester Shrub Hill - Droitwich Spa - Kidderminster - Stourbridge Junction - Galton Jn - Birmingham New Street - Aston - Perry Barr North Jn - Bescot Stadium - Bushbury Jn - Stafford - Norton Bridge - Crewe 71000 Crewe - (via WCML) - Farington Jn - Lostock Hall Jn - Blackburn - Clitheroe - Helifeld - (via S&C) - Carlisle 33202 + 33103 Carlisle - (via WCML) - Preston (1) - Wigan North Western - Golbourne Jn - Parkside Jn - Eccles - (1) Ordsall Lane Jn - Manchester Piccadilly - Slade Green Jn - Heald Green - Wilmslow - Sandbach - Crewe - (reverse of outward route) - Cardiff Central
(1) Booked route was Preston - Euxton Jn - Lostock Jn - Bolton - Salford Crescent - Ordsall Lane Jn but revised due to reasons unconfirmed (a possible fatality on the booked route?).
(2) 21272 was replaced by 71000's support coach (identity required) when 71000 was on the train due to a train length restriction over the S&C for 71000 of 13 carriages.
71000 at Carlisle (photo: Duncan Jennings)
33202 leading 33103 at Preston (photo: Duncan Jennings)
Sources : various including Duncan Jennings
(by Giddy Aunt)
This was advertised as a steam excursion. However, the steam loco only did Crewe - Carlisle via S & C while the train started and finished at Cardiff! Originally, 45112 was to do the Cardiff - Crewe and Carlisle - Cardiff sections but this was unavailable at short notice because of an engine defect. Fragonset rustled up 33103 & 33202 fresh from exam at Derby to take the Peak’s place.
A few of the ‘Peak Army’ had booked on this tour and were happy to sell their Diesel only tickets to any of the ‘Crompton Road show’. With deals duly done, it was the usual railtour early Saturday start. Alarm at 0130, get in car drive to Cardiff, park, pay machine, walk to platform where Pathfinder stewards have congregated and its still only 0330, Nice!
The ECS from Old Oak had been delayed by the empties for Pathfinder’s other tour; Logs from Sheffield to Alton, being put into Kensal Wash Sidings far too early, and blocking the 33s train in the depot. Anyway, the empties arrived at 0405 and the locos ran round fairly promptly. Departing about 25 late.
Then followed the usual pick ups to Worcester where the tour was unusually routed via Kidderminster instead of the Lickey. Apparently Network Rail were digging up vast swathes of their tracks that weekend.
After a crew change at New Street it was onwards to Stafford via the booked route. As we rolled into Stafford some old fossil waiting to join said, "Get rid of these smelly paraffin cans!". He was well and truly put in his place. There had not been much opportunity to make up time so arrival at Crewe was a little late. Here, things get complicated; part of the diesel only deal was the fact that we had to make our own way from Crewe to Carlisle because coach A had been allocated to kettle-heads joining at Crewe, and stand(!) from Carlisle to Crewe on the return.
Not only that, while the kitchen car was being watered, the rear brake vehicle was removed by the Cromptons, which then disappeared into LNWR for fuel. Apparently, Duke of Gloucester brought along TWO support coaches and 14 coaches was thought to be too much. Lightweight!
We watched the 33s take their coach north and waited around while some 37 cranks got very excited about HNRCs 37087 & 37194 being lined up to work 2Z26 1157 Manchester Piccadilly - Crewe which had been upgraded from a 5Z.
Now came the tricky bit, how to get from Crewe to Carlisle without being chung by Richard Turpin’s organisation. 390blahblahblah rolled in and we made ourselves look asleep and managed to avoid being gripped. Just! This was the first time I had been unlucky enough to travel on a Pendolino - they are very plastic!
Lunch in ‘The Woodrow Wilson’, Carlisle’s original Wetherspoons, then back to Citadel to find that 71000 had managed to get there. I had a bit of fun with the kettle heads, asking why the train was so cold, had they been sticking their heads out of the windows? There were some grumbles about the lack of heat, so I pointed out that they could have had the 33s throughout and had the benefit of Electric Train Heating.
Coach A was on the rear, and although we did not have allocated seats until Crewe, there were sufficient spare ones. Those passengers who were doing the entire tour had two breaks off the train; 32 minutes at Carlisle while the locos were changed, and 28 at Preston while the stock was watered. Great!
There was a rateable diversion from the booked route, instead of going via Bolton to Man. Pic., the route taken was; WCML, Golborne Jn, Parkside Jn, Patricroft, Ordsall Lane Jn then back on the booked route.
Picture the scene, Manchester Piccadilly through platforms, quarter to 6 Saturday evening, platforms full of shoppers and day trippers returning home. The driver kept the train rolling slowly through the station to stop anyone trying to board, then a signal cleared and the shoppers were treated to the sound of 2 Cromptons at full power! One lady put her fingers in her ears!
There was another diversion after plastic central Longsight, left at Slade Lane Jn via Styal then back on the booked route at Wilmslow. From then on progress was quite rapid, with quite a few 87s being viewed on service trains.
The return was then as the outward route, with the onset of darkness it was time for sleep. Basically on and off until Newport where we saw 37402 haul dead 67016 and its train off to Canton. Something went on there then!
Arrival back at Cardiff was about 5 early, then time to drive home.
Verdict:- I only found out about the 33s doing the important bits the day before the tour, fortunately I had the day free. A fine day out with the Cromptons in fine form on a proper train. All credit to Chris at Pathfinder for offering pay on the day fares for diesel only sections.
Timings (Booked & Actual)
(booked courtesy of Pathfinder Tours)
|11.60||Newport||04.15a ~ 04.17d||04.51 ~ 04.55||22.32a ~ 22.34d||22.30 ~ 22.34||322.36|
|21.49||Severn Tunnel Junction||04/27||05/04||22/22||22/14||312.47|
|33.33||Bristol Parkway||04.40a ~ 04.42d||05.17 ~ 05.19||22.04a ~ 22.07d||21.54 ~ 22.03||300.63
|65.51||Gloucester Yard Jn||05/15||?||21/21||?||268.45|
|72.01||Cheltenham Spa||05.23a ~ 05.25d||05.55 ~ 05.58||21.06a ~ 21.09d||21.15 ~ 21.18||262.15
|93.66||Worcester Shrub Hill||05.51a ~ 05.54d||06.36 ~ 06.39||20.39a ~ 20.41d||20.49 ~ 20.54||240.30
|125.62||Soho South Jn||06/57||07/31||19/46||20/04||208.34|
|127.63||Birmingham New Street||07.01a ~ 07.26d||07.36 ~ 07.39||19.35a ~ 19.41d||19.56 ~ 19.59||206.33
|132.61||Perry Barr North Jn||07/38||07/51||19/24||19/43||201.35|
|157.60||Stafford||08.02a ~ 08.04d||08.20 ~ 08.22||18.55a ~ 18.57d||19.10 ~ 19.13||176.36
|180.33||Basford Hall Jn||08/24||08/44||18/37||18/45||153.63|
|Crewe||08L28a ~ 09L05d||08.47 ~ 09.32||18.28a ~ 18.31d||18.34 ~ 18.42||151.79
|0.58||Crewe Coal Yard SB||09/09||?|
|22.24||Acton Grange Jn||09/32||09/56|
|24.11||Warrington Bank Quay||09/34||09/59|
|35.71||Wigan North Western||09/56||10/12|
|49.18||Lostock Hall Jn||10/24||10/24|
|56.26||Cherry Tree Jn||10w36a ~ 10w51d||?|
|58.18||Blackburn||10*55a ~ 11*11d||11.19 ~ 11.20|
|83.70||Long Preston||12w02a ~ 12w27d||?|
|133.31||Kirby Thore SB||13/39||?|
|151.04||Low House SB||14/02||?|
|158.41||Petteril Bridge Jn||14/15||14/19|
|Carlisle||14L19a ~ 14L51d||14.21 ~ 15.14|
|63.01||Carnforth North Jn||15/49||16/13|
|67.17||Morecambe South Jn||15/52||16/15|
|90.07||Preston||16*14a ~ 16*42d||16.36 ~ 17.01|
|(95.43)||Euxton Jn||DIV (16/50)||17/07|
|?||Balshaw Lane Jn||DIV (16/52)||17/09|
|(105.17)||Wigan North Western||DIV (16/58)||17/15|
|?||Wigan South Jn||DIV (16/59)||?|
|?||Springs Branch Jn||DIV (16/59)||17/17|
|(111.11)||Golborne Jn||DIV (17/04)||17/22|
|(111.69)||Parkside Jn||DIV (17/07)||?|
|Ordsall Lane Jn||17/40 (17/32)||17/41|
|120.74||Manchester Oxford Road||17/43||17/48|
|123.62||Slade Lane Jn||17/53||17/59|
Timings continue in first table.
Bracketed Booked Timings are
"re-timings". Bracketed mileages are as
re-calculated by Duncan Jennings (5m 57ch added on due to the diversion).
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