1st December 2001

Past Time Rail
The Spinnin' State

Locos Used 37520, 37798, 56049, 58049, 60099 & 66131
Stock Used 3107+3148+3115+5002+4938+4956+5005+4998+1832+21246+4959+6311

Route :
1Z58 : London Kings Cross - Crewe
1Z37 : Crewe - London Kings Cross

Locos Route
58049 London Kings Cross - (via ECML) - Peterborough - Peterborough West Yard (Eastfield)
56049 Peterborough West Yard (Eastfield) - Helpston Jn - Stamford - Syston East Jn - Syston North Jn - Loughborough - Trent Jn - Spondon - Derby
60099 Derby - Stenson Jn - North Stafford Jn - Longton - Stoke on Trent - Kidsgrove - Alsager - Crewe
60099 (1) Crewe - Norton Bridge - Stafford
37520 + 37798 Stafford - Bushbury Jn - Portobello Jn - Pleck Jn - Walsall - Ryecroft Jn - Water Orton West Jn - Nuneaton - Hinckley - Leicester - Syston East Jn - Stamford - Peterborough West Yard (Eastfield)
66131 Peterborough West Yard (Eastfield) - Peterborough - (via ECML) - London Kings Cross

Notes :
(1) 37's were due on at Crewe but they were running late off Bescot due to the original driver being out of hours. 60099 took the train to Stafford where the 37's took over.

Source : Gary Thornton.
(joined/left the train at Peterborough)

Tour review :
(by Gary Thornton)

The days locos captured in five photos:
58049 arriving into Peterborough : 56049 at Derby
60099 at Crewe
37520& 37798 at Stafford : 66131 at Peterborough.

Something different on the menu this particular Saturday - Past Time Rails' first attempt at an enthusiast "spin & win" tour! Although the tour had a pick-up at Peterborough, the original tour spec had loco changes both ways at the station, thus it was not really a viable joining point, leaving me contemplating a drive from/to Potters Bar. . A couple of days before the tour however I heard that the loco change was to be in Peterborough West Yard - OK a real "short leap" but at least all locos could be sampled and the day would be two hours shorter as a result. A call to Past-Time Rail's office confirmed this, so Peterborough it would be.

Pre-tour gen had the likes of 37798, 56049 (dud), 58049 & 60099 quoted - only the grid being not to my liking.

Managed a decent long lie on the Saturday morning, then headed for Peterborough only to get caught in a very large queue of Christmas shoppers (oh, for an earlier departure time).

Arrived at Peterborough with enough time to spare to get some food/drink shopping in at the local supermarket then onto the station where the loco gen was confirmed as 58049, 56049, 60099, 37520 & 37798....funny, no-one seemed to know or was bothered what the shed was to be!!

58049 (as booked) rolled in a few minutes late and those of us who had joined at Peterborough soon settled back for the very short run into Peterborough yard...and our first loco change! 56049, the only quoted engine that was dud for me, duly took over for the run to Derby. Not the most exciting run so I'll not bore you with the details.

Change of direction at Derby - 56049 passing the train over to 60099. An early arrival meant time to get a bag of chips too! 60099 was a surefire winner for all on board - this being one of only a handful (three?) 60's never to have worked a passenger train. A strange station announcement was made, showing the level to which we seem to go these days - "in the interests of safety could those people taking photographs please not use the flash". Hmmm....

The run to Crewe was also straightforward. On the approach it was confirmed we would all have to get off as the stock was to be taken out to the carriage sidings by the 37's.

Nice to see 47851 as we pulled in - just out-shopped in two-tone green with black two-dot headcode boxes. It was also carrying its old D1648 identity on one end.

High time for a farce...and one duly produced!!!

No sign of the 37's....turns out the driver was up on hours so they were still some way away. OK, run the "brick" round and set off south to meet them en-route. Stafford was the intended meeting point which would leave us running a bit late as this was not a booked stop. An announcement was then made to say the following booked loco change might take place in Peterborough station rather than West Yard as booked. Great - in order that those people stupid enough to book on tight connections would make their train home, others of us would miss out on one of the days locos. For one of my travelling colleagues it was extremely frustrating as he was only going to score 60099 and 66131...but he'd also joined at Peterborough thus lost out on half of what he should have had.

Almost a farce at Stafford - 60099 pulled up close to the signal and there was no way the pair of tractors were going to "fit" inside the signal. The 37's appeared and were coupled on, we all boarded then set off without the anticipated set-back to get the locos inside the signal.

South of Stafford and engineering works meant we were routed via Bushbury Junction, Walsall and the Sutton Park line to Nuneaton. A short pause here to change crew became a long pause as the ongoing crew were late! Once they arrived we headed off via Leicester to Peterborough.

It was confirmed that Railtrack had agreed to the loco change in Peterborough station, which was quite annoying as we were gaining back time at each timing point. Indeed - on the approach to Peterborough it was looking like a potential 30 minutes early arrival into the station - time enough to have made the loco change as planned.

At New England North Junction we found ourselves routed into the West Yard....we stopped, alongside a class 66....

....and after a couple of minutes the 37's were taken off. Looks like Railtrack and/or EWS had decided to stick to the plan after all. 66131 was duly attached to our train and we set off on the half a mile or so run to the station where we still arrived in time so that those people with tight connections made it home.

Verdict :
Not a bad day out, but in my opinion it started too late in the morning. Coupled with a late return it gave no real room for late running - this then came to the fore owing to the delay in the 37's getting to Crewe, resulting in a potential change of plan (the last loco change). In the event it looks like the panic was premature and Railtrack/EWS simply did their own thing anyway and I walked away with five winners out of the six locos we had!

Will I book on the next Past Time Rail spinner....hmmm, maybe.

Gary Thornton.

Route, Distances and Timing's (Booked & Actual)

No mileages were given out with the timing sheets but PRAR has provided the following;

From - To Loco(s) Mileage
Kings Cross - Peterborough Yard 58049 77 miles 2 chains
Peterborough Yard - Derby 56049 80 miles 71 chains
Derby - Crewe 60099 50 miles 77 chains
Crewe - Stafford 60099 24 miles 37 chains
Stafford - Peterborough Yard 37520 + 37798 118 miles 27 chains
Peterborough Yard - Kings Cross 66131 77 miles 2 chains

No attempt has been made to verify the mileages given above.

Location Booked Actual   Booked Actual
London Kings Cross 09.48d 09.48   22.24a -
Belle Isle 09/50 09/51   22/22 -
Finsbury Park 09/53 09/54   22/15 -
Alexandra Palace 09/57 09/57   22/12 -
Potters Bar 10.10a - 10.13d 10.05 - 10.13   22.01a - 22.04d -
Welwyn Garden City 10/21 10/22   21/51 -
Woolmer Green Jn 10/24 10/37   21/48 -
Stevenage 10.33a - 10.35d 10.41 - 10.42   21.38a - 21.42d -
Hitchin 10/40 10/47   21/34 -
Sandy 10/50 10/59   21/23 -
Huntingdon 11/02 11/12   21/11 -
Peterborough 11.28a - 11.30d 11.34 - 11.41   20.52a - 20.55d 21.05 - 21.10
West Yard 11L35a - 12L05d 11.44 - 11.59   20L17a - 20L47d 20.39 - 20.57
New England North Jn 12/09 12/11   20/13 20/36
Helpston Jn 12/13 12/16   20/10 20/22
Manton Jn 12/33 12/35   19/51 20/07
Oakham 12/38 12/38   19/45 20/05
Melton Mowbray 12/51 12/49   19/33 19/54
Syston East Jn 13/06 12/59   19/20 19/45



Booked Actual
Syston North Jn 13/09 13/01
Sileby Jn 13/20 13/08
Loughborough 13/27 13/15
Trent Jn 13/35 13/22
Sheet Stores Jn 13/26 13/23
Spondon 13/42 13/28
Derby 13L50a - 14L15d 13.34 - 14.16
Stenson Jn 14/23 14/24
North Stafford Jn 14/24 14/26
Tutbury & Hatton 14/41 14/32
Caverswall 14/56 14/56
Longton 14/59 14/59
Stoke on Trent 15/07 15/04
Kidsgrove 15/15 15/13
Alsager 15/20 15/17
Barthomley Jn 15/25 15.20a - 15.27d
North Staffs Jn 15/34 15.33a - 15.37d
Crewe 15L37a - 16L30d 15.40 - 16.31
Basford Hall Jn 16/36 16/36
Madeley 16/41 16/44
Norton Bridge 16/55 16/57
Stafford 17/04 17L07a - 17L33d
Stafford no.4 17/05 17/34
Bushbury Jn 17/20 17/50
Portobello Jn 17/25 17/50
Darlaston Jn 17/30 18/00
Pleck Jn 17/34 18/03
Walsall 17/36 18/06
Ryecroft Jn 17/38 18/08
Park Lane Jn 18/00 18/31
Water Orton West Jn 18/02 18/33
Water Orton 18/04 18/34
Whitacre Jn 18/09 18/39
Nuneaton 18c25a - 18c37d 18.56 - 19.12
Hinckley 18/48 19/18
Wigston North Jn 19/04 19/29
Leicester 19/10 19/34
Syston South Jn 19/18 19/43

a : arrival time
d : departure time
L : loco change
/ : passing time

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